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  • Because I was misunderstood when describing a problem with Thunderbird, I have now looked more closely at the terms used to precisely describe files in which ThB · stores the mail collections of the individual folders: "Mailbox" files (short "Mbox files").
    This is documented on the Compress Folder Lexicon page.

    A little further down it is confirmed that Thunderbird does not use the term »compress« in the sense of "to compress" (data loss-free compression of files), but in the sense of "to compact" (data-clearing up files).
    The use of the term, which is misleading for beginners, is justified by the fact that there is no word in German that would distinguish these two different processes from one another in an understandable way. But I see it completely differently. Because for the data-clearing compaction (as a result of the Deletion from garbage data) there is a German word: namely "Clean up"Or (as already mentioned)"Declutter". Microsoft has been using the word "clean up" for a long time - not with regard to Mbox files, but with regard to the compression of log files and registry entries (using cleaning programs).

    This shows that the translator (s) who translated the Thunderbird manual into German simply did not know the supposedly non-existent word.
    However, I am often faced with such helplessness when I want to explain something in detail to an English or Polish native speaker. Sometimes even when I describe the unfamiliar in German.

  • Thunderbird folders as possible junk rooms that need to be cleared out.

    "Good for things!" As Father Kempowski once said *) used to say. I like your suggestion!

    greeting

    fire Dragon

    *) Tadellöser & Wolff (novel) and Tadellöser & Wolff (film)

    "Within the computer community, one lives by the basic rule that the present is a program error that will be fixed in the next edition."
    Clifford Stoll, americ. Astrophysicist & Computer Pioneer

  • Very nice. Some topics have an eternal character. I can somehow understand that. It's just typical technical language, sometimes deviating from intuitive language usage.

    Microsoft has used the word "clean up" for a long time

    In connection with their small database MS Access they also use the term compression, see https://support.office.com/de-…9d-414c-bfbd-def1bc707324

    While it may be confusing, the name is absolutely common and not a Thunderbird specialty.

    As I understand it, cleaning up is different from compressing. When compressing, rebuilding removes only those records that have already been marked as deleted. The user has already decided beforehand that the data should be deleted. Only what has already been deleted is permanently deleted in order to gain storage space and / or performance.

    The user did not delete the data beforehand when cleaning up. The cleanup process itself looks to see what it thinks is unnecessary and can be deleted. That's why the tuning tools often go in the pants.

  • Hello everybody,

    not too serious now. The word "declutter" has a certain charm. The user usually does this himself.

    As for "cleaning up", I'm more with you too.

    greeting

    fire Dragon

    "Within the computer community, one lives by the basic rule that the present is a program error that will be fixed in the next edition."
    Clifford Stoll, americ. Astrophysicist & Computer Pioneer

  • While it may be confusing, the name is absolutely common and not a Thunderbird specialty.

    As I understand it, cleaning up is different from compressing. When compressing, rebuilding removes only those records that are already marked as deleted. The user has already decided beforehand that the data should be deleted. Only what has already been deleted is permanently deleted in order to gain storage space and / or performance.

    When cleaning up, the data was not previously deleted by the user. The cleanup process itself looks to see what it thinks is unnecessary and can be deleted. That's why the tuning tools often go in the pants.

    As a language fetishist and minor IT specialist, I have to strongly disagree:

    Data compression has a clear definition, namely that the output reproduces the input either exactly (lossless compression) or sufficiently similar to the intended use (lossy compression).

    As far as I know, cleaning has no uniform definition, but in my understanding it means "deleting data that is no longer required and / or merging scattered data".

    The fact that some marketing fuzzies from Tuning Tools are of the opinion that their tools are smarter than they actually are and use "clean up" for "randomly delete" does not detract from the actual meaning.

  • Data compression has a clear definition, namely that the output reproduces the input either exactly (lossless compression) or sufficiently similar to the intended use (lossy compression).

    Hello

    the dictionary has the following meanings for this term:

    Modification of data or characters with the aim of reducing the storage space required or increasing the transmission speed

    Greetings Ingo

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